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is the romney/ryan ticket is not credible on the issue of the war that we are fighting. >> no, they're not. >> we have 68,000 people right now, paul ryan embarrassed himself on afghanistan tonight in a way he embarrassed himself on no other issue. he did not understand the question well enough to know that he was making a mistake because he's just learned this for the test. he doesn't understand any of it. i find it terrifying. >> i think that he absolutely blew it in terms of afghanistan. i think even when he said marines in benghazi, when marines are at embassies. and, i mean, he also bent the truth. he's not at the level of liar as romney. he's a fibber. growing to be a liar. romney's an accomplished liar. but i think that clearly mr. biden gave facts. there was nothing they could refute. and i think he was fiery and to the point. i think ryan held his right wing position. he did not do the chameleon thing that romney did. >> that's true. >> i think it will hurt him in the end and hurt romney in the end and i think when it came especially to foreign affairs, it's good it was in a colleg
. >> governor romney has embraced the ryan budget. well, he has. he's gone back and said, no, he agrees with it. i just want to make sure that, when i say these things, that i don't have the congressman saying, no, no, no, i don't have that position, or that's not the governor's position. >> expect biden to be more pointed and tough than the president was. the question, how aggressive will he be? he doesn't want to come off as unlikable or condescending. one thing biden has going for him, his, quote, unquote, gaffes. in a new pew poll, voters narrowly say they expect ryan to win tonight's debate in a 40-34 margin. although ryan is trying to down play expectations. >> joe biden has been on this stage many times before, and this is my first time. sure, it's a nervous situation because joe biden is one of the most experienced debaters we have in modern politics. but the achilles heel he has is president obama's record. >> and ryan is dealing with unrealistic pressure. the base of his party thinks of biden the same way democrats thought about dan quayle. they consider him a joke. and republican exp
just had to happen in the romney/ryan campaign. now, over and over and over again on this campaign, on issues big and small, the romney/ryan campaign before today has been able to use one particular technique to escape the consequences of having unpopular policy ideas or policy ideas they don't particularly want to defend. they do this same thing over and over again, and usually, it works for them. here's the pattern. here's the pattern they have established. here's mitt romney back in august telling scott pelly of "06 minutes" that he believes abortion should be allowed to protect a woman's health. seriously? mitt romney thinks abortion is okay if a woman's health is in danger? no, not really. his campaign later said, no, never mind what mitt romney just said. he does not believe abortion should be allowed to protect a woman's health. okay. then in september, here was mitt romney telling david gregory on "meet the press" that he's not going to repeal all of obama care. he says he will keep part of obama care. but the part that requires coverage for people with pre-existing conditi
. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptuous and disrespectful. >> karen finney on the right wing freak-out over joe biden's knockout performance. >> ever felt that way where you just want to deck somebody? >> an obnoxious drunk. i think somewhere during the debate he took ritalin. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. what did we see? we witnessed a schooling on the issues by vice president joe biden last night. it really was the shot in the arm the democrats and the progressives were hoping for. after watching mitt romney get away with lie after lie last week, the vice president wasn't putting up with it from a guy who's number two on the republican ticket. >> when we equivocate on our values, when we show that we're cutting our own defense, it make
. what are the expectations coming from the romney campaign for paul ryan's big night tonight? here what happens his senior adviser, dan senor told chuck todd this morning, when it was really cold. >> he has to make the case about the choice in the election, all right? things have been rough over the last four years and it's incumbent on president obama and vice president biden to explain what exactly has happened over the last four years 23 million americans out of work, 47 million americans on food stamps 1 in 6 americans in poverty have them explain the rational for why they deserve a second term. there is a choice as it relates to the budgets, they are running on the romney/ryan agenda. governor romney laid out a plan, his five-point plan for the middle class. >> nbc's ron mott has been covering congressman ryan throughout and traveling with him and interviewing dan senor as well, and joins me now here. you've been with ryan camp. what is the mood? they must have gotten pumped up. >> totally. >> by the romney performance. now there's a whole expectation game for their own performance
and for this ticket which is beyond being rhetorically tougher than this administration, what is it that romney/ryan would do differently on some of these difficult matters? >> i wanted to show mitt romney in richmond today on this whole same subject. >> the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. >> to this day, to this day, we do not have a complete picture. we do not have all the answers. no one in this administration has ever claimed otherwise. >> and that wasn't the only foreign policy issue. another was iran. also afghanistan. interesting partly because of martha raddtz's experience and expertise and talk about winners and losers, the winner of that debate was martha raddtz my friend and colleague at abc but also on iran you have two completely different postures. >> 100%. actually, for -- having said that, that paul ryan was kind of along for the ride i will say for a debate that was, it was supposed to be domestic and foreign policy it was both of those things but a lot of foreign policy. for a guy who has no real
that paul ryan and mitt romney are stumping there today. >> i'm curious, mike, why the president isn't able to just stay in the white house. is it because the oval office duties beckon too much? or does he go to virginia because he wants to do a campaign stop here and there? >> reporter: i think it's got a lot to do with it. it's a two-fer. there are no public events on the president's schedule in virginia. there were no events in nevada we were told about. but he did go to hoover dam, has photo ops. so it's a side benet. it's like a camp, a retreat where they can concentrate on what they need to do tuesday night. >> i wonder if he's planning like a five guys outing, you know? >> reporter: could be. he loves his burgers. no questions. >> before i let you go, mike, can i just ask you, the ten or of things going into this debate prep? how stressful do you sense the white house is about this when you combine both the president's performance last week and then joe biden's this? maybe it picked up a little bit they think with joe biden. >> i think there's a sense of relief that biden did what he
daughter liza and sam and i've got other ones, charlie. >> like paul ryan, mitt romney also in ohio today. he is holding a pair of rallies, an indication of how critical the buckeye state and its 18 electoral votes are. president obama in virginia where he'll be preparing for the next campaign. the obama campaign has another tv ad out. it's narrated by none other than morgan freeman, the voice of vee a and the voice of god. >> every president inherits challenges. few have faced so many. four years later, our enemies have been brought to justice, our heros are coming home. assembly lines are humming again. >> and before you start sending your e-mails, the morgan freeman, of course, played god in "bruce almighty," just so you know. >>> the president landed in virginia a few moments ago. we're told he has no public meeting plans. kristen welker joining us. krist kristen, good saturday to you. >> good saturday to you. >> the president hunkering down for debate prep. what are you hearing about what he plans to do a little bit differently this time? >> reporter: well, craig, after that first de
performance? did ryan help maintain the romney momentum? >> this is a classic case where both sides of the aisle people saw what they wanted to see. >> joining me now is brad woodhouse, communications director of the democrat national committee. thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, richard. >> the vice president is being hammered by people who say he was laughing inappropriately, very energetic certainly. smirking, interrupting frequently. let's play some of those moments for our viewers, first. >> under a romney administration, we will have credibility on this issue. >> vice president biden? >> it's incredible. >> thank heaven which have these sanctions in place. >> oh, god. >> it's been discredited by six other studies. over 100 criminal investigations. >> martha. >> go ahead. >> martha, look. >> here is some of what the republicans are saying about the vice president's performance last night. >> reminded me of al gore in 2000 walking over and standing by president bush sort of getting in his space. >> i don't know if he thought this was a joke but he was laughing a lot. >> it
that ryan couldn't quite do because romney could -- romney had pandered to the right of the party. he had done it largely rhetorically even though he had not been a really hard right governor of massachusetts because he was constrained by democratic legislature and so he could just forget everything he said on the stump for a while, but paul ryan, his whole career has been being a creature of the world of conservative wing think tanks. he had this record. he crafted a social security privatization plan that was to the right of the plan proposed by george w bush and he couldn't just run away from it and say, no, no, i don't believe in that anymore. he ended up having to sort of defend these things. i think that got him into a lot more trouble than romney got into. >> yeah. i mean, i think that's right. the idea that, you know, sort of privatization or private accounts is an incredibly radical thing, you can argue against this. sweden where i lived for many years has private accounts. it doesn't have to be. it doesn't have to be this boondoggle that benefits private equity. look, we've been
the rejuvenated romney walloped them. >> what was your assessment of paul ryan overall? we're going to get to specific sound but in terms of paul ryan and his debate skills last night, what -- how do you grade limb? >> i think what people are looking for when they are going to watch a debate like this, especially a young -- relatively young untested vp candidate like paul ryan, new to the national scene does had he cross the threshold and appear presidential enough. i think he met that test. didn't embarrass himself in any way, didn't have a major gaffe. i don't think you would have come away if you were an independent or undecided thinking this guy is unready in some large respect to be president of the united states. i think he did what he had to do. i think joe biden did what he had to do. he went out and, you know, delivered the obama message in the way that i'm sure team obama wished that president had the week earlier. and i think you're right, he gave a little bit of a road map about what the president is going to do when he comes out next week. >> that was definitely a front-loaded
ryan if he's on the same page with romney. >> our position's unified. our position's consistent and that hasn't changed. >> what is your position? >> you'll find -- i'm sure you'll find out in these debates. >> were you upset that he said that to -- >> no, no position change. our position's very consistent. >> romney could only dodge the question so much. the campaign went into full spin mode. romney's spokeswoman, andrea saul, had to mop it up again. she gave a statement to the conservative "national review"." governor romney would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life." tony perkins got on the phone to say, don't worry, romney made a gaffe, this is not a change of position at all. perkins confirmed the campaign called and assured him romney wasn't changing his support for pro-life issues. romney himself tried to dig himself out of a hole. >> i'm a pro-life candidate and i'll be a pro-life president. the actions i'll take immediately are to remove funding for planned parenthood. >> it's hard to understand how mitt romney can tell iowa rep
of that. >> okay. there he is, romney chose a vp, by the way, paul ryan, who co-sponsored a, quote, personhood bill. with congressman todd akin aboard. that personhood bill basically guarantees if not the criminalization of abortion, something close to it. the republican platform is out of date. it calls for a human life amendment to the constitution to, quote, make clear the 14th amendment's protections apply to unborn children. unborn children at the age of a couple seconds have the right to property. romney has a right to support a supreme court justice, here's what he wants. >> hope to appoint justices to the supreme court that will follow the law and the constitution and it would be my preference that they reverse roe v. wade, therefore they return to the people and their elected representatives the decisions with regards to this important issue. >> cecile richards, as an expert and advocate, what do we make of this complete divide between what romney is saying these days about health care, about preexisting conditions, about abortion rights, something you care very much about
a short time ago we heard from mitt romney's running mate paul ryan saying we're going to bring america back to number one in manufacturing. that stuff resonates in a state like this. but more than anything else, what the effort is this weekend, it's the fifth consecutive day that mitt romney has in one form or another spent some time in the state of ohio as it shows just how critical they pugh view this state, with the 270 electoral votes. it's not impossible. but much more difficult to get there without this state. i spoke to a top adviser in the campaign this week who said to me if you go through the three most challenging states, three of the most critical states this done, florida, ohio, and virginia, they think they have the best shot at florida, second best at ohio, this adviser items me, and number three is virginia. but clearly, this is a state that no republican has won the white house without it. no president has won the white house since john f. kennedy. >> that surprises me. you would think that second maybe virginia and then ohio. i guess that speaks to how confident the c
the people tuning in right now. they're seeing a very different race and different paul ryan and romney than we have been watching for the entire past few months. if you just tuned in now, i think you might think mitt romney was a centrist which he has not been for the past year or so. if you are just tuning in, you might think paul ryan had pretty blue eyes and a set of solutions to aur. i don't know how biden is going to handle this. he's such a straight shooter, but maybe a straight shooter from the hip if i can mix metaphors. i'm not sure if he'll get frustrated, if he'll get angry, if he will just laugh it off, if he will come off as condescending. it will be interesting to see. >> right. clarence, "the washington post" spoke to republican voters in ohio, one of whom said of paul ryan's chances against joe biden, and i'm quoting the person, i think ryan is going to eat him alive. another said, he's dynamic, he knows his facts. do you think this is going to be a washout and that mr. ryan is literally going to trounce biden? >> i was pretty amused by that story, martin, because we were at
presidential debate, and this is why mitt romney and paul ryan are spending so much time in the buckeye state. 51%, 45%. they are both there today. we're going to listen to mitt romney live in just a moment. topping our political headlines, though, within the hour, president obama is scheduled to land in newport, virginia, he's on his way to williamsburg where he's preparing for tuesday. he used the radio and internet address to focus on the economy, touting the impact of the bailout. >> to let detroit go bankrupt. i bet on american work and ingenuity and three years later that bet is paying off in a big kwa. today auto sales are higher thain even about been in three years. gm is back. ford and chrysler are growing again. we've created a quart ore of a a million new jobs right here in america. >> mitt romney holding a rally in ohio. this hour. it's about to get under way. in fact, we're going get a live update from the campaign trail in just a moment. in their weekly address, republicans also talking about the economy. it was delivered by oklahoma congressional candidate mark wayne mullet. >>
. now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. with respect to iraq, we had the same position before the withdrawal which was we agreed with the obama administration. let's have a status of forces agreement to make sure we secure out gains. the vice president was put in charge of those negotiations by president obama and they failed to get the agreement. we don't have a status of forces agreement because they failed to get one. that's what we are talking about. when it comes to our veterans we owe them a great debt of gratitude for what they've done for us including your son, beau. we also want to make sure we don't lose the things we fought so hard to get. with respect to afghanistan, the 2014 deadline, we agree with the 2014 transition. but what we also want it do is make sure that we're not projecting weakness abroad. that's what's happening here. this benghazi issue would be a tragedy in and of itself, but unfortunately it's indicative of a broader problem. and that is what we are watching on our tv screens is the unraveling of the obama foreign polic
vision. governor romney, the opposite. the last thing we need now is another war. >> congressman ryan? >> we mourn the loss of these four americans who were murdered. when you take a look at what has happened just in the last few weeks, they sent the u.n. ambassador out to say this was because of a protest and a youtube video. it took the president two weeks to acknowledge this was a terrorist attack. he went to the u.n. and in his speech at the u.n. he said six times he talked about the youtube video. look, if we're hit by terrorists we're going to call it for what it is, a terrorist attack. our ambassador in paris has a marine detachment guarding him. shouldn't we have a marine detachment guarding our ambassador in benghazi, a place where we knew there was an al qaeda cell with arms? this is becoming more troubling by the day. they first blamed the youtube video. now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. with respect to iraq, we had the same position before the withdrawal which was we agreed with the obama administration. let's have a status of for
on romney/ryan. let's hope they get the message starting now. >>> also, what really happened in that fatal attack in benghazi? republicans are charged with the state department with lack security. republicans say democrats are trying to score points off a tragedy. a ceo says if a certain candidate wins presidency, he may have to fire people. see if you can guess which billionaire this candidate opposes? this is "hardball," the place for politics. you. we know you. we know you have to rise early... and work late, with not enough sleep in between. how you sometimes need to get over to that exit, like, right now. and how things aren't... just about you anymore. introducing the all-new, smart-sensing... honda accord. it starts with you. >>> now you see it and now you don't. late today president obama weighed in. on an interview on abc, romney's latest position on abortion is an attempt to mask the position he's been running on. let's listen. >> other example of governor romney hiding positions he's been campaigning on for a year and a half. governor romney has made it very clear that if a bill
the romney campaign chose to start this week with that big foreign policy speech. congressman ryan uttered the same words that the obama administration has been weak and libya and syria have been mishandled. here's congressman ryan fakes off on one of the deans of foreign policy for this administration. >> i think a tremendous disadvantage for congressman ryan, as it will be for governor romney when he faces off against the president on foreign affairs. i think joe biden will make sure they don't stray from the truth. in yesterday's speech somewhat unbelievably to me after all the contention about misstatements, governor romney made two significant misstatements again shows a disregard for the facts. one he said, tamron, there was no discussion of terrorism in the 2008 debates. we saw last night on msnbc they played the tape. >> there's tape to prove he wasn't accurate. >> 40 mentions of terrorism in that debate, and he said president obama hasn't signed a single free-trade agreement, when, in fact, he signed three. joe biden won't let him get away with it. going back to domestic policy fo
/biden team you'll get another four years like the last four years with the romney/ryan team, a real recovery with more jobs for everybody. >> now politico is reporting today that ann romney and tagg his son, one of his sons did an intervention to try to save the campaign if you will and let mitt be mitt and get the candidate to talk more about himself, talk more emotionally to give the foreign policy speech. in pushing back against some of the staff. can you help us out on that? what is the -- your perspective about it? >> i saw the story. it's a silly little story. there's no truth to it. we're focused on big things. yesterday the governor gave a speech where he talked about some of the very real foreign policy challenges facing us. he talked about building 15 ships a year so we can build up our navy. he talked about the importance of reforming our foreign assistance and linking it to positive outcomes. he talked about stopping iran's reckless pursuit for a nuclear weapon. these are the issues and the challenges that we're focused on. we're not distracted by some of the nonsense stories tha
to see what mitt romney tried to do which is paul ryan congress beman ryan walk away from the positions he's held during the campaign and give a softer image for the american people. >> and there are real challenges for both sides in tomorrow's big bluegrass debate. for paul ryan it's defending had his own record as well as mitt romney's record. they're different. as joe biden tries to remain gaffe-free and make up for the president's poor performance last week. and joining me now, democratic strategist and president of divine, and phil, republican consultant and president of new frontier strategy both whom have been debate preppers in the past. what was going through your mind when watching president obama last week? >> listen, i think as his campaign has conceded it was a tough night for the president and governor romney did well. what i was thinking they're going to have to pivot. we're at a pivot point in this campaign. a lot of the republicans who probably would have wound up with romney anyways have made the polls closer and the vice presidential debate will be an important one. >
, doubling gas prices, no coherent energy strategy, it's clear to me that the romney-ryan ticket had the only blueprint to get us out of this mess. we're not going to -- four more years of the same policies will get four more years of the same results. >> i think what we learned about paul ryan is he is as good as his boss at obfuscating what their plan is. he could not answer how he was going to pay for this $5 trillion lowering of the tax rates. he couldn't list a single deduction, a single loophole, that they would close, except he said we would go to congress. now, what they're saying is that we're not going to tell you, we're going to go to congress and, surprise, we'll see it after the election. it's the same stuff that -- >> where's the obama plan? he's had four years. he can't even get a budget passed. >> why? because you have a congress that has signed pledges not to cooperate. >> the obama budget was killed 535 to 0 because it raises the debt by $7 trillion. >> that is not true. >> yes, it does. >> we have got to in these final few weeks try to reach some resolution about this reven
. >> paul ryan was trying to praise romney's career as governor in massachusetts. and biden said, wait a minute he's not even competing there, he can't carry his own state. and the republicans have been making a lot about his bipartisanship. he was able to get along with the democratic legitimate slate stur. the democrats in the legislate stur were far more cooperative with the republican governor than the republicans are today with the democratic president. >> let's turn to the state we can't seem to talk enough about, ohio, the buckeye state. both candidates doing anything they can to win over specifically michael smerkonish, working-class voters in ohio. for romney, that's about calling out obama for being weak on china, this is yesterday. >> we're going to do this, we're going to make sure when people cheat and china has been cheating, we're not going to let it go on. i'm not going to pass it off. on day one i will label china a currency manipulator and we're going to get serious when we make sure that people don't cheat when it comes to trade. >> is that a message that's going to
in the toledo area. obviously, ohio's an important state to the romney-ryan ticket. we expect paul ryan to stick to the standard substance with the five-point plan to put the middle class back to work and also going by the performance last week of governor romney. particular has a couple of events. one here in the at least area and then we're heading off to the detroit area for an afternoon event and don't expect to see him until thursday and sets up the debate against vice president biden and the past couple of days we asked how much is he prepared to meet someone with more experience. he says he knows that vice president biden will come in aggressively and maybe particularly because of the president's performance last wednesday's event in denver and he is reading briefing books, talking about issues around the country and around the world. paul ryan knows that this is a very big week for him. perhaps the biggest of his entire political career. people need to see the american voters watching that debate on thursday and see him in the vice presidential light and probably not enough for him to be
, comparing with that of romney and ryan. steve. >> so romney and ryan do have somewhat different plans. we talked a lot in the debate last week about taxes. this is the spending side of the equation. to kind of lay out apropos conversations we had earlier in the show about what ryan and romney each believe about spending, let's start with kind of an overview of where the three people would like to bring spending over the next ten years. the 20-year historical average is at about 21%,ed red line that you see across there. obama would like to have spending end up at 23%. romney and ryan both want it down at 20%. so there's a clear difference, and they all agree on where it should go. what gets interesting is as you dig into the detail of what gets cut, and you'll see some very, i think, fascinating differences among these guys. so on social security, as you heard president obama say in the last debate, the three guys are actually in the same place. they want to spend the same amount on social security in the next ten years. when you get to medicare, romney and ryan are in the same place, but
paul ryan's ideas as he is against mitt romney. that elevates ryan as well. >> it seems clear in choosing chris van holland they will go against the first ryan budget, the first medicare plan and also the ryan book. they will go after the budget cuts and troo to tag mitt romney with the severity, using the term relatively, of the ryan budget cuts. >> right. rom uh any down played the ryan road map. keep in mind the first ryan budget plan included privatizing social security, at least to a certain extent. that's something ryan then dropped in his subsequent budgets. it was there and he was one of the advocates of the plan to put it in the market. secondly the medicare issue. those entitlements, we'll ha from biden about thursday. a lot of democrats think he dropped the ball not pushing the issues against mitt romney. joe biden will read ryan's book and go after those entitlements. >> up next, as mitt romney focuses on foreign policy we'll get a reality check on the challenges abroad. [ female announcer ] most whitening strips promise full whitening results in two weeks or more.
congressman ryan and ann romney asserting that if the word "lie" is used this is just an excuse by democrats here. but again, the president still mired in explaining the mystery behind his first debate performance, louise. >> well, let's see. how many excuses have they had so far? you know, the first excuse was, well, mitt won on style. the president did what he needed to do. the second was mitt lied. the third was the president was prepared for the different mitt. well, you know, he should have been able to pivot. he's the president. right? i don't really know, you know, what really happened but i just know that the debate is like the gift that just keeps giving and it's not served -- it's just not served the president very well. you know, let me go to ann romney really quickly. >> sure. >> i'm not sure ann romney is being used in the best possible way. i mean, she is on the front lines fighting these fights for the campaign, fighting the fight for mitt. kind of lashing out. and she's, you know, her ratings are good but she'll end up altering that if she gets out there. i mean, she gets a l
serving as proxies for the president and mitt romney. how did ryan do? we'll knock that around with our "morning joe" crew. when we come back here, we huddle around the water cooler to watch a near brawl in a debate in california. head locks and fingers in faces when way too early comes back. a great clean doesn't have to take longer. i'm done. i'm gonna read one of these. i'm gonna read one of these! [ female announcer ] unlike sprays and dust rags, swiffer 360 duster's extender gets into hard-to-reach places without the hassle. so you can get unbelievable dust pickup in less time without missing a thing. i love that book. can you believe the twin did it? ♪ swiffer. great clean in less time. or your money back. >>> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from scanton, pennsylvania, i'm from wisconsin. you know the unemployment rate in scranton? >> sure do. >> it's 10%. the day you came in it was 8.5%. >> that's not how it's going. it's going down. >> joe biden and paul ryan met in danville, kentucky for the first and only vice president debate. the candidates split the air time almost
from his debate thanks to his old friend mitt romney. romney's views about abortion would make ryan, who has sponsored 38 antiabortion laws, including one with todd akin, now we know where he stands. listen to this question he answered 24 hours ago. >> how is the debate prep? >> it went well. >> how is your position on abortions and your running mates? >> it's unified. our positives haven't changed. >> what is your position? >> i'm sure you'll find out in these debates. >> joining us now, here in new york, jonathan alter, and in rhode island, robert traynham. thank you. i assume paul ryan will never complain will-b a softball question, but second, when do we know where he stands on abortion? when is that supposed to happen? >> they're going to get down into in on the debate about abortion. >> he can't answer a reporter's question? he sponsored 38 pieces of legislation -- >> he's on the fly. the reason it's complicated answer for him -- i'm not trying to defend him here, but the reason it's a little complicated is because he'll essentially have to say my views on abortion are not at
attempt to balance the budget. and what ryan and romney are calling is outrageously stupid. what the president is doing is inadequate. >> okay. al? >> good description. nothing partisan about that description. you know, al, the governor brings up a point. i'm not sure that i agree with how he describes the two sides, but i will say that when joe biden -- let's just take these two issues right here. to talk about the stupidity of this campaign. joe biden won't even talk about raising entitlement -- your date of eligibility for entitlements one year despite the fact when fdr set the life expectancy at 62, we're now up, 79, 80, something like that. and you've got three people working for every one person getting these entitlements. and then on the republican side, this $5 trillion tax cut, the numbers don't add up. it doesn't matter what you do. the numbers don't add up. nor does the administration's belief that if you just tax rich guys, you're going to take care of the deficit. it's just -- it's nonsense. >> joe, you're absolutely right. neither side is seriously addressing this.
by the backlash after she publicly endorsed mitt romney. she got a call from romney's running mate, paul ryan, thanking her for her public support and dash joins a list of african-american who are supporting the republican ticket and as my next guest can discuss in detail, wendy wilson, news editor for "ens" magazine and wrote a feature story about six african-american women who say they are going to vote for mitt romney. it is great to have you here. stacey dash, who a lot of gen-x'ers will know from her role in "louless." she said in an interview she voted for president obama in '08. he likes what romney has in value giving him a shot this time around. is that when you are hearing from african-american women that might have a different view of who they want on vote for this time? >> you know, not necessarily. the women that i interviewed were at the republican national convention. i have to say it was than easy finding them. i interviewed six women that are supporters of mitt romney and are supporting him mainly because of lower taxes and lower big government and they want smaller governmen
: on the style side, biden smiled a lot. ryan, a debate rookie, kept his cool. did ryan add to the romney momentum or did biden help put obama back on track? the pollsters go to work to figure it out while voters digest the second of four debates. i'm steve handelsman, nbc news. back to you. >> steve, thanks. >>> president obama and romney will have their second debate tuesday in long island, new york. andrea mitchell led the truth squad with a fact check. she started with the deadly september 11th attack in benghazi. paul ryan accusing them of protecting u.s. personnel. >> what we should not be doing is rejecting claims for calls for more security in barracks and marines. we need marines in benghazi when the ambassador says we need them. the requests were not honored. >> biden called the deaths a tragedy. the obama administration did not know they had been asking for more security help. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. by the way, at the time, we were told exactly, we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they kn
this $5 trillion question and the fact that it's controversial. it says that we know that the romney/ryan plan won't work on those making under $200,000 a year. none of the studies have disprchb that. we don't know what the loopholes are. if it's about the mortgage interest deduction. a deduction which i could argue vigorously against its existence. but only against putting it into existence. once it exists to take it would have a devastating -- >> nobody is talking about getting rid of the mortgage deduction. they're talking about limiting it. >> won't specify what they are. >> conservatives say broaden the tax base, what's that a euphemism for is raising taxes on lower income people. to your point, to make it really simple, if you have a million dollars and i give you an additional $20,000. you don't have to spend that additional $20,000 because you've got a million dollars. if you have $20,000 and i give you $500. you're spending every dime because you have to. >> immediately. >> that's why lowering taxes on lower income people boosts the economy because they go to walmart that money.
to -- american peel want to standup people. so far the romney and ryan people have not been willing to stand up for the things that they have been espousing a long time. i think there's more pressure on paul ryan than vice president ryan. >> we will be watching your state tomorrow. thanks so much for coming on the program. >> thank you. >> let me bring susan back. you tweeted earlier today the vp debates usually don't matter. but is this one different? >> i think it is a little different. do i. you know, traditionally we pay a lot of attention to the debates. lloyd bentsen putting down dan quayle and became inaugurated as vice president that january. it was dan quayle. this time maybe a little different because this election so close. so newly close. because we have got what i have been calling momentum politics, momentum is on the republican side. can joe biden turn that around in the debate and set a better stage for the second presidential debate that we have next week in new york? >> momentum is so important. i think that -- you know, besides the fact you have two debaters who are both real
romney again. but if you see a great performance by ryan, some kind of self emolation of biden and surging past president obama, it's really going to put the pressure on president obama to do something starkly different on tuesday than he did last week. >> a.b. it's s.e. and nice to have a fellow initialled guest on the panel. >> that's right. >> do you think he's looking at the biden-ryan debate as an opportunity to finally right the ship or thinking just get this done and get me on to the next debate so i can right the ship myself? >> well, i thought he made a good point about biden. first of all, i know both of them and paul ryan and joe biden couldn't be nicer people and think that about each other. but biden has to be careful about what you had mentioned in your earlier comments of looking like the knowledgeable gray beard talking to the youngster. >> yeah. >> so he has a lot more experience but paul ryan's certainly has the knowledge. so that has to be something he's careful about. i think it's wrong for president obama to hope after all these years of sort of kicking joe
said, joe biden will sell barack obama, but paul ryan has to sell mitt romney. you can't really sell paul ryan, right? so he has to -- it's going to be interesting to see how well he does that. i think we agree that joe biden will do his job, will go in and will explain all those crucial moments of the obama presidency and how things worked out and what a great guy he is. >> so joe biden, i agree will do his job. joe, do you think that paul ryan will be allowed to do his job? because i think the problem has been that from the moment he was chosen, they then were hiding his signature elements. >> well, paul ryan's not the president. and i think mitt romney said it clearly, i'm the president, paul ryan -- >> so he won't be allowed to do his job? >> no more than somebody you hire as a production assistant is going to tell you what to say on the air. >> well, i will say, he sounds really almost -- he chose his youth when he said mitt romney is the president, and therefore i believe. >> who is he? why was he chosen? because he has incredible, brave ideas. >> hold on. so -- >> at a time wh
as mitt romney. it's really on medicare especially, it's the ryan policies that obama is running against. and then lastly, i think what ryan and biden are defined by in a lot of ways and for biden, that's partially hit his gaffes. is he going to step in it? is there going to be some memorable sound bite from that debate? and ryan is known as the numbers guy. and the whole obama campaign now against romney and ryan is that the numbers on the republican side don't add up. so i think there's going to be pressure on ryan to explain the numbers or at least the obama folks are going to try and pressure ryan to explain the numbers. so these things usually don't matter. it's the undercard. but this time i think there could be a little more importance. >> i think you're exactly right. biden's actually a very good debater. he was very good during the democratic debates in '08. he beat barack obama every time. he is good in the debates, but boy, he can't afford to have an off night, can he? >> no. >> i mean, you talk about feeding into a narrative. i actually think paul ryan can break even and he'l
, you know, mitt romney and congressman ryan that won't walk away from a whole host of policy decisions in the middle of the debate. >> understanding, though, the president has to sort of go after mitt romney and engage and fight with him a little bit on the debate stage. is that something you all are bringing to the table? >> well, look, i don't want to give away everything. obviously, we want a nice crowd for the debate. i think each candidate has to be very much on their toes. what i mean by na is president obama and vice president biden, for watching mitt romney and paul reasyan do as they've done throughout this campaign, which is walk away from what they talked about days earlier. we got a great example yesterday. mitt romney goes to "the des moines register" board saying there's nothing in his agenda to restrict a woman's right to choose, which we know after having said in debates he's happy to sign a legislation that ended all abortions. we understand there's a mitt romney you see pop up in public, particularly right now, and there's a mitt romney that believes a series of thing
question though for paul ryan is he going to deny some of the things in his budget, that governor romney has -- is he going to be more specific than governor romney wrz in terms of how they're actually going to pay for the tax cuts. and the vice president, he doesn't need advise from me, but he just needs to be himself. he is a son of the middle class, who understands the middle class issues extremely well. >> why do you think he has developed this reputation for, shall we say misspeaking. this is five years ago, before he was vice president, quoting from an editorial that called him a gaff machine. >> vice president biden is just a very real guy, he loves people and he tells it like it is, and sometimes when you tell it like it is and you're not really carefully scripted, all of us say things. i can tell you though, that the real joe biden is extraordinarily grounded in what matters to real people. this is a guy who grew up, a son of a car salesman, you know, grew up in a near wilmington, delaware. a very hard worker, the people of delaware love him, they have seen him good and bad thro
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